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Is there not a flaw in his argument, though? (Only briefly scanned it)

 

He's saying Finland are currently bottom of League C, and having little else to play for, would be better off losing their last couple of games to get relegated to League D, from where they've got a better chance of qualifying for Euro2020 as winners.

 

But what if those games were against the teams just above them i.e. teams who would also benefit from losing and thereby dropping down?

 

Get down to Paddy Power and lump on o.g.s, red cards and peno's!

 

This was another classic

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4%E2%80%932_Grenada_(1994_Caribbean_Cup_qualification)

 

Edgar does have a point re Finland and others. League C will most likely have the likes of Serbia, Denmark, Romania and Montenegro. No realistic chance of Finland et al coming through from there. League D will most likely see a 2020 finalist come from a Georgia, Belarus, Azerbaijan etc. Indeed only Latvia of the likely League D sides have ever qualified for a tournament before.

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Seen this on uefa's site they have us as 2nd at the minute in league B after the latest uefa rankings. Is it possible with 2 good results in October that we could sneak into league A and does being in league A guarantee qualification for euro 2020?

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/newsid=2498274.html#how+uefa+nations+league+could+line

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Seen this on uefa's site they have us as 2nd at the minute in league B after the latest uefa rankings. Is it possible with 2 good results in October that we could sneak into league A and does being in league A guarantee qualification for euro 2020?

 

For every plus there's a minus.

 

No, being in League A does not guarantee you qualification for Euro 2020.

 

The winner of each of the four leagues qualifies, which is bikkies when you look at League D.

 

I'm not sure what the knock on effect is if everybody in League A, bar one, qualifies through the traditional route. Does that team qualify by default?

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Are Latvia deliberately trying to ensure they're in League D?

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For every plus there's a minus.

 

No, being in League A does not guarantee you qualification for Euro 2020.

 

The winner of each of the four leagues qualifies, which is bikkies when you look at League D.

 

I'm not sure what the knock on effect is if everybody in League A, bar one, qualifies through the traditional route. Does that team qualify by default?

Thanks for clearing that up

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Each of the 4 mini leagues within Leagues A,B,C & D will produce winners.

 

The 4 mini league winners in League A meet in June 2019 to decide the Nations League Champions.

 

The 4 bottom teams in League A get relegated to League B

 

The other mini league winners and bottom teams get promoted/relegated etc (apart from those bottom of League D obviously).

 

Now when that is all done and dusted they do the draw and have the qualifiers for 2020.

 

20 teams qualify through the normal process ten groups of 5/6 teams top two go to the Euros.

 

In March 2020 they decide on the last 4 places

 

Then they go back to the Nations League. League A has a 2020 place . so the best 4 teams in A who have not qualified get to playoff. In reality there probably won't be 4 so teams get bumped up from B (or even C) just for these playoffs.

 

League B had a place and again teams get bumped up as required. It is not clear which teams go where in B if there is space in A.

 

In reality surely 16 of the 20 Euro2020 qualifiers will come from A & B. If so then the remaining 8 teams will be guaranteed at least a playoff in March 2020 for a place at Euro2020.

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Are Latvia deliberately trying to ensure they're in League D?

 

It's definitely open to that kind of abuse.

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Each of the 4 mini leagues within Leagues A,B,C & D will produce winners.

 

The 4 mini league winners in League A meet in June 2019 to decide the Nations League Champions.

 

The 4 bottom teams in League A get relegated to League B

 

The other mini league winners and bottom teams get promoted/relegated etc (apart from those bottom of League D obviously).

 

Now when that is all done and dusted they do the draw and have the qualifiers for 2020.

 

20 teams qualify through the normal process ten groups of 5/6 teams top two go to the Euros.

 

In March 2020 they decide on the last 4 places

 

Then they go back to the Nations League. League A has a 2020 place . so the best 4 teams in A who have not qualified get to playoff. In reality there probably won't be 4 so teams get bumped up from B (or even C) just for these playoffs.

 

League B had a place and again teams get bumped up as required. It is not clear which teams go where in B if there is space in A.

 

In reality surely 16 of the 20 Euro2020 qualifiers will come from A & B. If so then the remaining 8 teams will be guaranteed at least a playoff in March 2020 for a place at Euro2020.

 

With the current rankings would that mean N.I are practically guaranteed a play off for Euro 20 and if so they can take this and ram it!

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If, and I'm aware it's a massive IF, we did manage to beat the Germans, is there a chance we would squeeze into League A?! Beating Germany in a competitive match would score a huge amount of rankings points and we're currently ranked second in League B...

 

Assuming of course we then did the job against Norway

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I think it is fair to say that worst case Northern Ireland will have the fallback of the March 2020 playoffs for a place in Euro2020 now. For that not to be the case less than 16 of the other 23 teams in League A & B would have to fail to qualify.

 

A win over Germany would earn slightly less ranking points than the one over San Marino.. 1,660 was earned by beating San Marino whereas 1,620 is available for a 1 goal win over Germany. 1,640 for a two goal win etc etc. The 20 points make little difference really.

 

So it is still possible to get into League A with two wins. Although it probably won't be enough.

 

Latvia have Andorra and the Faroes left but they will remain in League D. Finland and Azerbaijan have probably blown their 2020 hopes with recent wins. Azerbaijan would have had a great chance of qualifying via League D. Lithuania v Malta is one to watch next month as Lithuania need to lose to stay in league D.

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I think it is fair to say that worst case Northern Ireland will have the fallback of the March 2020 playoffs for a place in Euro2020 now. For that not to be the case less than 16 of the other 23 teams in League A & B would have to fail to qualify.

 

A win over Germany would earn slightly less ranking points than the one over San Marino.. 1,660 was earned by beating San Marino whereas 1,620 is available for a 1 goal win over Germany. 1,640 for a two goal win etc etc. The 20 points make little difference really.

 

So it is still possible to get into League A with two wins. Although it probably won't be enough.

 

Latvia have Andorra and the Faroes left but they will remain in League D. Finland and Azerbaijan have probably blown their 2020 hopes with recent wins. Azerbaijan would have had a great chance of qualifying via League D. Lithuania v Malta is one to watch next month as Lithuania need to lose to stay in league D.

That can't be right mate. The win over San Marino earned us 371 points. The Czech win got us 1183 points. Surely we'd be looking at the same or more for a win over the Germans???

 

Or are we talking about two different things?

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On the topic...

 

http://www.football-rankings.info/2017/09/uefa-nations-league-seeding-simulations.html?m=1

 

Apparently we're dead cert for League B. There is a 1% chance of us making A but I would assume not only would we need 2 wins but also results to go our way.

 

Interestingly, Finlands wins over Iceland and Kosovo has guaranteed they can't fall into League D

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That can't be right mate. The win over San Marino earned us 371 points. The Czech win got us 1183 points. Surely we'd be looking at the same or more for a win over the Germans???

 

Or are we talking about two different things?

 

Yes totally different. UEFA use their rankings system which only includes competitive games. You can view Northern Ireland's postion here.

 

http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2017/

 

The above applies to the UEFA Nations League and all Euro qualification.

 

FIFA use the FIFA rankings for World Cup qualifiers. A win over Germany and over Norway would certainly ensure NI are seeded for the playoffs in November. This is based on the FIFA rankings and the points you mention are for them I assume. FIFA rankings are here.

 

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/index.html

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Yes totally different. UEFA use their rankings system which only includes competitive games. You can view Northern Ireland's postion here.

 

http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2017/

 

The above applies to the UEFA Nations League and all Euro qualification.

 

FIFA use the FIFA rankings for World Cup qualifiers. A win over Germany and over Norway would certainly ensure NI are seeded for the playoffs in November. This is based on the FIFA rankings and the points you mention are for them I assume. FIFA rankings are here.

 

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/index.html

Good man, thanks for clearing that up

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