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Your link is not the Ranking for National Teams in UEFA.....it is the Ranking of each Country for the purposes of the CL & Europa League qualification/seeding and based on the performances of club sides in Europe....not International Matches.

 

:doh: Sorry.

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This proposal is merely a dressed up 'competition' to get the smaller nations on-side and is a stepping stone towards pre-qualifying for qualifiers - of that i have no doubt.

 

Its what the big boys want - no more games against the San Marino's and the Northern Ireland's being the end result.

 

The IFA need to realise this, as do all the other smaller nations due to vote on it before its too late.

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This proposal is merely a dressed up 'competition' to get the smaller nations on-side and is a stepping stone towards pre-qualifying for qualifiers - of that i have no doubt.

 

Its what the big boys want - no more games against the San Marino's and the Northern Ireland's being the end result.

 

The IFA need to realise this, as do all the other smaller nations due to vote on it before its too late.

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The IFA need to realise this, as do all the other smaller nations due to vote on it before its too late.

 

Too late.

 

http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/organisation/congress/news/newsid=2079556.html#uefa+nations+league+receives+green+light

 

The exact format of the UEFA Nations League has not been finalised and will be the subject of further discussions between the UEFA member associations but the concept is for the 54 teams to be divided into four large groups according to coefficient rankings.

 

Teams compete to be promoted to a higher group or to become the UEFA Nations League champions and to qualify for EURO play-offs.

 

Prior to UEFA EURO 2020, each group will be divided into four pools of three or four teams so each team will play four to six matches between September and November 2018.

 

The final four competitions, involving the four pool group winners of group A, will start in 2019, whereas play-offs for the UEFA EURO will then take place in March 2020. National teams will thus either be competing to become UEFA Nations League champions or be fighting for promotion and to avoid relegation in their groups, as well as to qualify for the EURO play-offs.

 

I'm still confused. I get the bit about the big teams playing for the title, and the promotion and relegation thing. The Euro qualification bit doesn't compute for me I'm afraid. I just don't see how teams from the bottom group can play each other for a finals place, while teams from better pots do the same. That just seems bizarre. Of course, if we qualify because of that, it'll be awesome.

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Will these be counted as 'competitive' internationals? If so, at least it commits players to us, although, equally, we could see a lot of one-cap wonders for the FAI team....

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This proposal is merely a dressed up 'competition' to get the smaller nations on-side and is a stepping stone towards pre-qualifying for qualifiers - of that i have no doubt.

 

Its what the big boys want - no more games against the San Marino's and the Northern Ireland's being the end result.

 

The IFA need to realise this, as do all the other smaller nations due to vote on it before its too late.

 

That's almost certainly where we're heading. Because, if what is currently advertised was the end-game, then the big boys wouldn't be in favour. What's in it for them? They can pick and choose their feriendlies already - England mainly play the Dutch/French etc and only play "weaker" teams when it suits them. This actually erodes their flexibility and ties them in to playing European opposition, rather than non-European teams which are attractive on lucre (say, Brazil), variety and/or also World Cup preparation.

 

This is a stitch-up, of that there should be no doubt

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That's almost certainly where we're heading. Because, if what is currently advertised was the end-game, then the big boys wouldn't be in favour. What's in it for them? They can pick and choose their feriendlies already - England mainly play the Dutch/French etc and only play "weaker" teams when it suits them. This actually erodes their flexibility and ties them in to playing European opposition, rather than non-European teams which are attractive on lucre (say, Brazil), variety and/or also World Cup preparation.

 

This is a stitch-up, of that there should be no doubt

Whilst I could see someone like Jim Boyce cheerfully welcoming in a Wooden Horse through the gates of Troy, I doubt whether the other smaller Associations would be that stupid, and they still hold the whip hand (votes).

 

Therefore the only way they would be likely to accept this Nations League morphing into a sort of Seeding/Pre-Qualifier for the Euros would be if there were something in it for them. Which usually boils down to money.

 

How much money would this new Nations League raise? Obviously it wouldn't take much to buy the votes of Minnows like San Marino or Liechtenstein, who are never ging to Qualify for the Euros anyhow. And we must assume the Big Boys will be in favour, since they usually qualify in any case.

 

But that still leaves a lot of intermediate Associations like eg Romania, Scotland or Serbia etc, who could see what meagre hopes they have of ever Qualifying snuffed out completely. And since the number of European places in the World Cup Finals is perpetually under threat from FIFA, they are always at risk of being squeezed further on that front.

 

On the other hand, maybe Platini has calculated that expanding the Euro Finals from 16 to 24 will be a juicy enough carrot to coax enough of the middle ranking Nations to drag this other scheme through?

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I don't see what is wrong with the idea.

 

4 sub leagues within 4/5 main groups containing 3/4 teams each. Each team plays each other in the sub group home and away.

 

The 4 sub group winners play a 2 legged semi-final with the winners of each contesting a final in a neutral venue.

 

The 4 winners or 'champions' of the main groups qualify for the Euros automatically and are promoted to the next group level. The bottom sides are relegated.

 

The teams who fail to qualify play in qualifiers as is the case today to fill the remaining spots.

 

What's not to like? A further chance to qualify shouldnt be sneared at.

 

If you look at group 4/5 for example Northern Ireland would have a good chance of being in it along with San Marino, Andorra etc. One of the sides in that group will qualify!

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Why don't they have a Euro Championship every year (or three in every four, to allow for the World Cup)? It could involve

 

  • groups of four teams, so six qualifiers played in one season from September to March
  • World Cup could be on same basis, maybe with play-offs to reduce number of qualifiers
  • no need nor time for friendlies

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This is a stitch-up, of that there should be no doubt

 

The sceptic in my can't help but agree with this ..........

 

But that still leaves a lot of intermediate Associations like eg Romania, Scotland or Serbia etc, who could see what meagre hopes they have of ever Qualifying snuffed out completely. And since the number of European places in the World Cup Finals is perpetually under threat from FIFA, they are always at risk of being squeezed further on that front.

 

......... but then there's this. I just don't see how UEFA could get it past the majority of the 54 teams who will fluctaute between being good, bad and indifferent.

 

If you look at group 4/5 for example Northern Ireland would have a good chance of being in it along with San Marino, Andorra etc. One of the sides in that group will qualify!

 

That's the mental bit. Although it might be good for us, how do you justify somebody from that lot qualifying when somebody from division 2 (maybe even division 1) doesn't? Does it not also open up the possibility of teams losing deliberately to land in a lesser division in the hope that they can piss their way through it?

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That's the mental bit. Although it might be good for us, how do you justify somebody from that lot qualifying when somebody from division 2 (maybe even division 1) doesn't? Does it not also open up the possibility of teams losing deliberately to land in a lesser division in the hope that they can piss their way through it?

Well being Northern Irish and being one of the minnows of European football ;-) it is surely a good thing?

 

That would effect their ranking/seeding therefore if they failed to qualify via the mini groups they would be poorly seeded for the main qualifiers.

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Well being Northern Irish and being one of the minnows of European football ;-) it is surely a good thing?

 

No.

 

The game is about glory,

 

I know that's only part of Danny's quote, but it's the salient point. The way the qualifiers are at the minute we'd have to have some big glory nights, culminating in the match where we nick a point/victory that puts us across the line into the finals. It's why we never tire of reminiscing about the big results and it's why we long to qualify again because we know something awesome will have to happen to get us there, and that something incredible might happen when we are there.

 

Now contrast the successful campaigns for '58, '82 and '86 with the possibilty of making the finals of Euro 2020 via division 4. First of all we'll have to have been fairly bollocks to be in that division in the first place. Then we'll qualify by scraping past the likes of San Marino, Malta and Andorra in a group stage before beating Kazakhstan on away goals to qualify. Talk about an anticlimax after 30 odd 'years of hurt'.

 

IMHO, the Nations League as a stand alone tournament is fine. Linking qualification to it is nuts.

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No.

 

 

I know that's only part of Danny's quote, but it's the salient point. The way the qualifiers are at the minute we'd have to have some big glory nights, culminating in the match where we nick a point/victory that puts us across the line into the finals. It's why we never tire of reminiscing about the big results and it's why we long to qualify again because we know something awesome will have to happen to get us there, and that something incredible might happen when we are there.

 

Now contrast the successful campaigns for '58, '82 and '86 with the possibilty of making the finals of Euro 2020 via division 4. First of all we'll have to have been fairly bollocks to be in that division in the first place. Then we'll qualify by scraping past the likes of San Marino, Malta and Andorra in a group stage before beating Kazakhstan on away goals to qualify. Talk about an anticlimax after 30 odd 'years of hurt'.

 

IMHO, the Nations League as a stand alone tournament is fine. Linking qualification to it is nuts.

So rather than qualifying for Euro 2020 (for example) topping a group containing minnows, you would rather defeat one or two big seeds while getting defeated by Eastern European sides and not qualifying while watching the tournament at home on TV?

 

Football and the Irish politics behind it has changed since the 'Glory Years' under Doherty & Bingham. If things stay as they are it'll be another 30 years of hurt, then another, then another.

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So rather than qualifying for Euro 2020 (for example) topping a group containing minnows, you would rather defeat one or two big seeds while getting defeated by Eastern European sides and not qualifying while watching the tournament at home on TV?

 

Whoever qualifies from division 4 will have done through a succession of sh*t results, follows by a couple of draws/victories against minnows. That team will be the laughing stock with everybody, quite rightly, saying they've no right to be there. Where's the joy in that? Where is the big stand up and scream your nads off moment of sheer ecstasy? Where is the glory?

 

So the chice is between;

 

1. Beat a couple of the big guns, but fall short because we can't see off some lesser opponents. Basically Euro '08 again.

 

2. Lose left right and centre to everybody, but squeeze in by beating a couple of pub teams. Basically Euro '04 (the one we couldn't get a single goal during) but with a couple of extra games (against crap teams) stuck on the end.

 

Danny was right, it's about the glory. Option 1 every single time please.

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